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<title><![CDATA[Indus Script May Reveal It's Secrets!!!]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[<p>Indus Script is a writing system.. says recent paper...&nbsp;</p>
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<description><![CDATA[The assertsion by Steve Farmer that the Indus script doesn;t encode a language and merely pictograms which could be either political or religous symbols doesn't hold water. According to him, the Indus people were functionally illiterate can't be true because it is a well established fact that the Indus people had trade links with the Mesopotamian civilisation.How can people carry out trade in far off places/ regions if you don't have a proper system of communication and recordings, measurements etc? How could the Indus people have communicated with the Mesopotamians without a proper language? Just signs are not enough to establish extensive trade links!<br />What Farmer said what completely off the track.]]></description>
<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:29:57 +0530</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Hi Dilip,<br /><br />You may read the latest book by Korvink<br /><br />The Indus script A positional-statistical approach]]></description>
<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 15:53:15 +0530</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[The Harappans had the oldest “signboard” in the world, apparently. They mass produced writing (or “writing”) . According to Parpola, 1/10th of<br />Mohendodaro (100 square metres) has yielded 2100 seals (with 9000 characters?). Or more than one character per person. I declare the Indus the most literate civilization on earth as every body could ‘read and write’ – Farmer.<br />This makes the debate so shallow it is nearly ridiculous. After all what then is the difference beteween the Indus and civilizations which did not yield any trace of writing? History is a subject after all and is taught everywhere in the world. Don’t mislead people deliberately and try to deceive them! We hate those who misrepresent history.<br />please find the article below. My comment is at the end. <br /><br />http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/war-of-words-in-the-cradle-of-south-asia<br />n-civilisation-1927005.html]]></description>
<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 15:42:33 +0530</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Even if a small linguistic component is added – rebus principle or punning (Witzel Kyoto, 2009 or Sproat in his presentations) or acriphony is added, it qualifies for full literacy. I assume some ’sound coding’ would have been useful to them atleast on some occasions.. the longest seal is 17 characters non-analomous and 26 characters analomous. I have never said that what Farmer is saying is necessarily fully wrong, but even Parpola has been reading them mostly as logograms with a linguistic component. So how much of what Farmer is saying is new apart from the fact that he popularized the idea? These men have been saying almost the same thing and fighting with each other?Till 2900 BC Egypt and Mesopotamia were considered proto-literate even if their texts are shorter(not non-literate!!!!)- even if there is small difference between the 2 maybe the Indus system was more expressive than Egyptian proto-literate- because conditional entropy, order of signs, combinations probably did play a major role in meaning in the Indus script (Korvink). ????Terminologies pertaining to literacy cannot be changed unless all scholars agree – and any demands to change terminology must be met with suspicion, naturally. Only a very small portion of the IVC has been excavated, you know, 5% maybe! Even Farmer agrees “Judging from modern examples and research in the linguistic history of South Asia, the Indus Valley was probably intensely multi linguistic throughout its history. This may have provided the Indus emblem system with an advantage over ordinary writing as a means of providing the civilization with social cohesion. The fact that the majority of inscriptions rely on a surprisingly small core of symbols suggests that the meaning of Indus signs could have potentially been known by almost or all (ALL!!) of the population, resulting in a pervasive quasiliteracy far beyond that achieved in Mesopotamia or Egypt.” No other civlization mass produced writing or (”writing”!!). Where else did they have public signboards then apart from the Indus?<br />I can instead cite Farmer and declare it the most literate civilization on erth. And he and I could be saying the same thing. I say such terms must be avoided. if they had learned how to use the rebus principle , they would have used it whenever the need arose. Seal writing is always short . Sproat's smoking gun cannot be used to test the stability or the complexity of the system. It has weaknesses. It cannot also be used to  prove that the Indus script didn't have a linguistic component.<br /><br />Making fun of ancient people is absolutely disgraceful.It is in poor taste~!!!!<br /><br />I hope more Indians take up research. people are taking us for a ride.<br /><br />Sujay Rao Mandavilli]]></description>
<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 19:12:50 +0530</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Here is my complete , comprehensive solution to the so-called Aryan problem <br />Part one is a high level overview. Part two is much more interesting <br />This is one of the longest research papers published in a peer-reviewed journal since independance. <br />Part 2 is particularly important <br />&gt; http://www.scribd.com/doc/27103044/Sujay-NPAP-Part-One <br />&gt; http://www.scribd.com/doc/27105677/Sujay-Npap-Part-Two <br />&gt; Mirror: <br />&gt; http://www.docstoc.com/docs/25880426/Sujay-NPAP-Part-One <br />&gt; http://www.docstoc.com/docs/25865304/SUJAY-NPAP-Part-Two <br />Links to the journal <br />Part one http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1324506 <br />Part Two http://ssrn.com/abstract=1541822 <br />SUJAY RAO MANDAVILLI]]></description>
<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 11:46:55 +0530</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Dear Dilip Kumar,<br />I read your article on Indus script, quite brief and up to the point. Recently i have come out with a theory that Indus sites are Necropolis and not metropolis as popularly imagined so far. I have also come out with a &quot;Key to Indus code&quot;. All Indus symbols are appearing in the symbols mentioned in &quot;Jyotisha Vedanga&quot;. This is the first time ever the actual evidence has been cited to Indus symbols. See the details in my web site and give your valuable opinion-----<br /> http://sites.google.com/site/induscivilizationsite/<br /><br />with regards,<br />yours sincerely,<br />jeyakumar ramasami]]></description>
<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:05:57 +0530</pubDate>
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