Indus Script May Reveal It's Secrets!!!
9 Aug 2009, dilip Comments: 6 | Views: 633 | | Category: Indus
Indian and American researchers are close to breaking the code
behind the The Delphian- Enigmatic Script script of the Indus Valley civilisation, which flourished on the India-Pakistan border 4,000 years ago.
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Is Indus Script a system of Writing?
In 2004 Steve Farmer, Richard Sproat (University of
Illinois) and Michael Witzel (Harvard University) stunned the world of ancient Indus scholarship with the claim that the Indus sign system was not
writing (their joint paper, The Collapse of the Indus-Script Thesis: The Myth of a Literate Harappan Civilization can be found on Farmer's website). Their work received widespread publicity, even in popular science magazines. They based
their reasoning on computer analysis of Indus sign properties apparently not in common with other ancient written languages. The lack of lengthy
inscriptions common to other early written languages is another major factor in their argument.“There is zero chance that the Indus valley is
literate. Zero,” says Steve Farmer, an independent scholar in Palo Alto, California. “As they say, garbage in, garbage out,” says
Michael Witzel of the Harvard University.
A target of their critique was the work of Dr. Asko Parpola (University of Helsinki, website) who - like a number of other ancient Indus "decipherments" in the past century - had concluded that the Indus sign system represented an ancient Dravidian language. You can have a look at his explanation of Indus Script which can be downloaded from here- Right Click and here and Selecet 'save link as' or 'save target as'
These quotations from an online news item (New Scientist, April 23, 2009) are representative of what passes for academic debate in sections of the Western media over a serious research paper by Indian scientists published recently in the USA (Science, April 24, 2009).
The Indian teams are from the Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, Mumbai, the Institute of Mathematical Sciences, and the Indus Research Centre of the Roja Muthiah Research Library (both at Chennai), and backed by a team from the University of Washington at Seattle. They have proposed in their paper, resulting from more than two years of sustained research, that there is credible scientific evidence to show that the Indus script is a system of writing which encodes a language (as briefly reported in The Hindu, April 27, 2009 ).
It says there are distinct patterns in the hieroglyphics used by the script, and creates a statistical model for the unknown language. “The model provides insights into the underlying grammatical structure of the script,” said lead author Rajesh Rao, associate professor of computer science, University of Washington.
The use of statistical methods is not new to research on the Indus script. The point of departure in the new study is the use of rigorous correlation techniques, a significant methodological advance.
Work on the Indus script continues. The temporal and spatial analysis of the script has been completed and awaits publication. There is scope to compare the Indus script with systems like the Chinese pictograms and the Egyptian hieroglyphics. Dr. Adhikari(Faculty Fellow at the Institute of Mathematical Sciences, Chennai - specialises in Novel Applications of Statistical Mechanics) believes that all these efforts “are taking us closer to understanding the Indus script.”
Hi Dilip,
You may read the latest book by Korvink
The Indus script A positional-statistical approach
The Harappans had the oldest “signboard” in the world, apparently. They mass produced writing (or “writing”) . According to Parpola, 1/10th of
Mohendodaro (100 square metres) has yielded 2100 seals (with 9000 characters?). Or more than one character per person. I declare the Indus the most literate civilization on earth as every body could ‘read and write’ – Farmer.
This makes the debate so shallow it is nearly ridiculous. After all what then is the difference beteween the Indus and civilizations which did not yield any trace of writing? History is a subject after all and is taught everywhere in the world. Don’t mislead people deliberately and try to deceive them! We hate those who misrepresent history.
please find the article below. My comment is at the end.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/war-of-words-in-the-cradle-of-south-asia
n-civilisation-1927005.html
Even if a small linguistic component is added – rebus principle or punning (Witzel Kyoto, 2009 or Sproat in his presentations) or acriphony is added, it qualifies for full literacy. I assume some ’sound coding’ would have been useful to them atleast on some occasions.. the longest seal is 17 characters non-analomous and 26 characters analomous. I have never said that what Farmer is saying is necessarily fully wrong, but even Parpola has been reading them mostly as logograms with a linguistic component. So how much of what Farmer is saying is new apart from the fact that he popularized the idea? These men have been saying almost the same thing and fighting with each other?Till 2900 BC Egypt and Mesopotamia were considered proto-literate even if their texts are shorter(not non-literate!!!!)- even if there is small difference between the 2 maybe the Indus system was more expressive than Egyptian proto-literate- because conditional entropy, order of signs, combinations probably did play a major role in meaning in the Indus script (Korvink). ????Terminologies pertaining to literacy cannot be changed unless all scholars agree – and any demands to change terminology must be met with suspicion, naturally. Only a very small portion of the IVC has been excavated, you know, 5% maybe! Even Farmer agrees “Judging from modern examples and research in the linguistic history of South Asia, the Indus Valley was probably intensely multi linguistic throughout its history. This may have provided the Indus emblem system with an advantage over ordinary writing as a means of providing the civilization with social cohesion. The fact that the majority of inscriptions rely on a surprisingly small core of symbols suggests that the meaning of Indus signs could have potentially been known by almost or all (ALL!!) of the population, resulting in a pervasive quasiliteracy far beyond that achieved in Mesopotamia or Egypt.” No other civlization mass produced writing or (”writing”!!). Where else did they have public signboards then apart from the Indus?
I can instead cite Farmer and declare it the most literate civilization on erth. And he and I could be saying the same thing. I say such terms must be avoided. if they had learned how to use the rebus principle , they would have used it whenever the need arose. Seal writing is always short . Sproat's smoking gun cannot be used to test the stability or the complexity of the system. It has weaknesses. It cannot also be used to prove that the Indus script didn't have a linguistic component.
Making fun of ancient people is absolutely disgraceful.It is in poor taste~!!!!
I hope more Indians take up research. people are taking us for a ride.
Sujay Rao Mandavilli
Sri Sujay Rao
Well Said. Discarding Indus Script-saying it is not a literary system is not at all acceptable. That well designed drainage system, city style planning, uniform weights,dockyards,trade etc. of Indus couldn't have been possible without a literary society. And I strongly believe that Indus language has got some thing to do with ancient Indian languages like sanskirt, kannada,telugu, tamil .. It couldn't have disappeared all of a sudden.. Any way some solid publications by the researchers should come up.
Thanks once again for valuable contribution .... Jai Hind
Here is my complete , comprehensive solution to the so-called Aryan problem
Part one is a high level overview. Part two is much more interesting
This is one of the longest research papers published in a peer-reviewed journal since independance.
Part 2 is particularly important
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27103044/Sujay-NPAP-Part-One
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/27105677/Sujay-Npap-Part-Two
> Mirror:
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> http://www.docstoc.com/docs/25865304/SUJAY-NPAP-Part-Two
Links to the journal
Part one http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1324506
Part Two http://ssrn.com/abstract=1541822
SUJAY RAO MANDAVILLI
Great information - Thanks alot Sri Sujay Rao
Dear Dilip Kumar,
I read your article on Indus script, quite brief and up to the point. Recently i have come out with a theory that Indus sites are Necropolis and not metropolis as popularly imagined so far. I have also come out with a "Key to Indus code". All Indus symbols are appearing in the symbols mentioned in "Jyotisha Vedanga". This is the first time ever the actual evidence has been cited to Indus symbols. See the details in my web site and give your valuable opinion-----
http://sites.google.com/site/induscivilizationsite/
with regards,
yours sincerely,
jeyakumar ramasami
Sri JeyaKumar ,
Your website is excellent . It seems to be a well researched stuff. Keep it up sir. Have you done any research on Indus script, or is it based on books on Indus script ? I couldn't scan your site completely, I will leisurely go through it again.. Thanks for sharing

The assertsion by Steve Farmer that the Indus script doesn;t encode a language and merely pictograms which could be either political or religous symbols doesn't hold water. According to him, the Indus people were functionally illiterate can't be true because it is a well established fact that the Indus people had trade links with the Mesopotamian civilisation.How can people carry out trade in far off places/ regions if you don't have a proper system of communication and recordings, measurements etc? How could the Indus people have communicated with the Mesopotamians without a proper language? Just signs are not enough to establish extensive trade links!
What Farmer said what completely off the track.